TALKING WITH DIRECTOR/WRITER/PRODUCER RAMZI ABED by Owen Keehnen

Thirty six year old Ramzi Abed has loved movies almost his entire life…and now that love has become his day job as well. He is the founder of Bloodshot Pictures and is the driving creative force behind a slew of films such as ‘Noirland’ with Rena Riffel, James Duval, and Ford Austin, ‘In a Spiral State, with Julie and Lizzy Strain as well as Bianca Barnett, ‘The Devil’s Muse’ based on the unsolved murder of Elizabeth Short (aka The Black Dahlia), ‘Upside Downtown’ starring Masuimi Max, ‘The short ‘The Tunnel’, ‘Telephone World’ and several others. He has even done a documentary on avant-garde pornography called ‘The New Erotic’. He is also a founding member of the electronic group Elektracity. He’s a very busy guy, but not too busy to take a few minutes for this quick racksandrazors.com interview.


  So tell me how you got started in this business?  When did it really click for you that this was what you wanted to do?

I think it was when I was really little. My dad had a Super 8mm film camera and also a couple of still photo cameras. He filmed us a lot, and I was always fascinated by the camera and the process of recording reality and images onto this thing, at the time, called film. I got addicted to taking photos with a little 110 film camera, and also got addicted to watching old movies. My favorites were the feature-length and short films of 'Abbott and Costello', the 'Three Stooges', and Charlie Chaplin, which my dad loved. I also, like my dad, became absorbed with anything Peter Sellers was in. These things, along with my love for comic books, which I started reading and collecting when I was 6 years old, really informed it early on. I never really thought about making movies or directing or anything till I was a junior or senior in high school though. My friend, Brian Cleveland, who now also works in the film industry, got me into it. I was a painter and an artist at the time, and started the Society of Fine Arts (SOFA) at Greenhill. I also loved music like crazy. He basically pulled me into the home movies he was making at the time. He had state-of-the-art equipment for that era, and had amazing influences and films to watch. I watched a lot of cult and foreign films with him, and that, along with the realization that you can just go for it, are what did it for me. I then went to college, and did that whole thing. Afterwards, I worked my way through various production and post-production jobs, mostly on TV shows, until I found my inspiration to make my first Super 16mm short film, "Nobody". I made the mistake of shooting it during El Nino. That was fun. I'm still very proud of that film. It was one of the biggest productions I've ever had actually.

You're the founder of Bloodshot Pictures.  What was your intent when you began this production company and how has that evolved in from then until now?

It was always my intent to create a place for me and my colleagues to do stuff, and also create a brand identity. Bloodshot Pictures is just as much an idea as it is a thing. It's still evolving, and we'll see where it goes. We're actually thinking about opening a retail store in LA sometime in the next couple of years possibly. We'll see. I'm all about surprises.

Tell me about the film you are currently shooting 'Noirland'.  Give me a teaser that is going to make it absolutely irresistible.

A catatonic serial killer is placed under deep hypnosis to free his last victim, and revive him into coming to terms with the sadistic acts he is responsible for. James Duval plays the serial killer. His character's name is Tiberius Malloy. Oh, and this is going to be my best narrative film thus far. I hope those are reasons enough. It has an international cast, is extremely provocative, and has a lot of stuff going on in it. It's my biggest homage to the film noir genre.

You've made several films in a relatively short amount of time with titles like 'The Devil's Muse', the aforementioned 'Noirland', and 'In a Spiral State'.  I imagine filming that many films also is sort of a crash course in filmmaking, especially since you tend to direct, produce, write, and act as cinematographer, etc. in most of them.  What are the biggest lessons you've learned that you would like to pass on to all the novice filmmakers out there? 

It's all so varied. I never set out to shoot my films honestly. As far back as "Nobody", I've always worked with experienced DPs. I've been blessed to work over the years with amazing people like Michael Hofstein, Clay Liford, Neal Fredericks, Mark Mervis, Andrew Parke, Josh Orlando, and others. However, I'm very hands-on, and always have been. Making a movie is like making a big, big painting or performance piece. Also each of these projects is very different in the way that it's conceived and then executed. I shot very, very little of 'The Devil's Muse', but after I experimented more and more, and especially as I started to DP other people's work, I started feeling more confident about shooting. I directed and lensed a few music videos, and they helped push me in that direction more too. 'In A Spiral State' was supposed to look and feel a bit like the reality shows, 'Intervention', and 'The Real World', so I decided to shoot that film a lot more off-the-cuff. It's perhaps the most visually experimental and truly raw-looking movie I've done aside from 'Clay Fields'. 'Noirland' is a different story all together. Yeah, so no crash-course of any kind really. Just balls out going for it, with a plan and a passion. It's all about primal instinct and intuition. I go for where the beauty and the tears are.

So which of those many hats you wear during the making of one of your films do you see as your greatest strength and which do you see as the one that is the most difficult for you?

Conveying thoughts and emotions with my eyes and the on-camera rehearsal process. It's just psychic stuff. I don't know. It's all about doing things the way that nobody else does them or would dare to. I'm all about just doing things the way they feel right, even if it's just on the spot.

What's the best damn thing about making movies?

It allows me to take my mind off of conventional reality, which can be so frightening and off-putting, and go into a fabricated world. At the same time, I love reality, and as contradictory as it sounds, I love making my films and the set, when we shoot, a real experience. It's all about reality in many ways. I want everything to look and feel real. It's got to be real and sometimes just a bit beyond it too. I also love the alchemy of picking out and working with my cast and crew. Shooting on full moons is also a favorite, and has been a serious part of my moviemaking since about 2001 or maybe even earlier. I don't know. I just really, really, really love making so-called movies. I just want to take people into a world, and maybe either hypnotize them or get them to hallucinate just a little. For me personally, it's also a dream to be able to work with so many people I love and admire. One of the greatest blessings is being able to get people like David J, Cinque Lee, Julie Strain, Robert Williams, Rena Riffel, Serj Tankian, Elissa Dowling etc. to be in my movies and music videos.

Do you have a career aspiration?

My biggest one is to stay healthy and alive for as long as possible. I also want to make more films with bigger and bigger budgets and cast as the years progress. Ultimately it would be nice to leave a sizeable body of work or catalog of films, and to keep adventuring into different genres and also different mediums, not just film for instance. I'm interested in making music, photography, painting, and continuing to write. I'd love to publish a book of short stories. I've talked about that idea for a long time. Oh, and I want to make some more money, and maybe relax on a luxurious vacation someday. Both of those things would be really nice.

Do you have any other projects lined up you would like to let the racksandrazors.com readers know about?

I do. I have two features in post right now, that I can't wait for people to see. One is a thriller that is completely original, which is a very hard thing to claim these days. It's called 'Telephone World', and I really don't want to say much about it, except that much of it happens in real time, and there's a lot of crying and emotional torment in it. It's also got one of the greatest female acting performances I've ever seen in a movie in it. I'm not joking when I say this. Elissa Dowling is dynamite in this movie. She's mind-blowing. Anyhow, the other one is my first ever documentary, which is called 'The New Erotic' and it's about the new wave of erotic and pornographic directors and photographers that are changing the shape of adult entertainment and erotic art. That documentary is going to be amazing for people to experience. It's very subversive, and it's a very unique take on the subject. The people in it like Kimberly Kane or Ed Fox or Eon Mckai are so creatively talented and interesting, that people will be astounded. They're amazing artists honestly. 'The New Erotic' is almost finished editing-wise, and should be out at the end of May. The last project to mention, of course, is 'Noirland', and I can't wait to be done with that one. Other than that, I've my hands in a few projects here and there also, and am developing some other projects. I'm putting the final touches on a new script that is pure horror genre stuff. I can't reveal the title of that one yet, but suffice it to say, that's it's probably the most commercial thing I've ever committed to paper. I hope people will enjoy these various projects and films!

You've made so many films in such a relatively short period of time.  What has been the most frightening thing that has ever happened during the actual filming of one of your movies? 

Oh wow, really the single most frightening thing is the only one I kind of don't want to mention as it involved someone betraying my trust and attempting to steal one of my movies from me outright. I can't even go into details on that one; because it's something I really don't like thinking about and had such a bad effect on me. Plus I made peace with the person, even though they did so much damage to me, and we were at odds for a long time. Otherwise, not much really happens. I mean, I've shot in haunted places. I've shot stuff in scary neighborhoods, and none of that is necessarily frightening really. The most frightening thing is when people die in real life. When my friend, may he rest in peace, Neal Fredericks, who was the original DP on 'The Devil's Muse' when it first started out, died in a small plane crash just two days before we were going to shoot a scene. He was out of town, and was to come back straight to the set. We'd only shot a little bit of the film at that point, but he got a gig and went out town to shoot. When he came back, he was supposed to come straight to our set, and shoot some more. When he died, it was incredibly devastating, and so shocking. It rattled the entire production, and continued to do so. I've lost a lot of friends and family over the years, and when a person dies in real life, it is easily the most frightening thing period.

Vampires, werewolves, zombies, witches, creatures, aliens, telemarketers...what does it for you horrorwise Ramzi and why?

They don't really do much for me per se. I mean, I should say, they are things like any things. So in the right story or setting, they're amazing. In the wrong setting, they're boring, cliché, and make me angry at laziness in storytelling motifs. However, at the same time, the monster is something that is part of the human psyche. Human beings need monsters to exist, so that they can further label or falsely define evil. Demonizing people is where it started, but there's also a bit of innocence about monsters too. I mean, I love James Whale's "Frankenstein" because of that innocence and beauty. On the other hand, when people do interesting things with these famously mythic creatures, it can be really great too. I'm a fan of a couple of vampire movies, I guess. I do love 'Near Dark', 'The Lost Boys', and 'Nadja'. The coolest recent creature film I've seen is also a bit of a psychological sci-fi film at the same time, and it's an indie called "The Shriven" by Brian Schiavo, who I think is a new talent in this genre. Anyhow, I think telemarketers are the most annoying in the whole bunch, but all of these things can become cliché in the wrong hands. What's awesome is when people do it right like some of the examples I just mentioned. Oh, and my favorite witches will always be tied between The Wicked Witch from 'The Wizard of Oz' and Witchiepoo from 'H.R. Pufnstuf'.

What was the first movie to scare the shit out of you?

I don't know if I have the right answer for you on that one, as I watched and read a lot of scary and disturbing stuff as a kid. I mean, when I was like 4 or 5, I was already addicted to watching "Alfred Hitchcock Presents", "The Twilight Zone", "Night Gallery", and "The Hardy Boys", which all made me dream and also got me frightened from time to time. And although I never saw the whole movie until I was much older, the shower scene in 'Psycho' both titillated and terrified me when I first saw it on tv. That was probably back when I was like 8 or 9 maybe? But the first film to have a truly profound effect on me with violence was probably much, much later really, because I know when I saw 'Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer' in the theater when it first came out, it shook me to my bone. It was so powerful, creepy, and felt so real.

And what was the last horror movie you saw that really annoyed you?

There are a good number of horror films that have never gotten distribution that I think shouldn't ever get distribution probably. There are also a lot of movies out there that are basically the same movie over and over again. So a good half of so-called horror movies out there annoy me, but at the same time, there are so many that I also love. It's hard to single out one that annoyed me, since most of the time; I'm thinking about the ones that I love.

Okay, we're pulling into the Ramzi Abed Drive In. What three horror flicks are on the triple bill for tonight and what goodies are they going to be serving up at the concession stand?

Well, if we're talking about things that I want to see, they'd only straddle the horror genre in a way, but they're bound to mystify and disturb the audience. So, I don't think they're films that horror fans would normally consider horror, but to me they're amazing, so I have to mention them. Let's just go ahead and put up three somewhat recent films from the last decade... 'Demonlover', 'Irreversible', and 'Antichrist'. Oh, and what would they serve? Probably coffee, cigarettes, and sushi.

And your favorite horror flick death scene?

Hmmm. This is a difficult question, as I don't necessarily want to glorify the act of dying, but cinematic murder can be beautifully executed, no pun intended. The elevator scene in 'Dressed to Kill' is pretty mindblowingly well-staged and powerful. I'm also a huge fan of the film, 'Tenebre', and every death scene in that film is a subversive and almost sexual piece of art. To go a bit more mainstream and more current, I also really love the big freeway pileup death scene at the beginning of 'Final Destination 2'. It's a great chain reaction effect, and one of the few times I was able to forgive myself for seeing conventional CGI, because I thought it worked really well there actually.

What's the best Halloween costume you ever had?

That's actually a strangely tough one. If I go back far enough, my favorite was in 5th or 6th grade, when I dressed up as Sean Connery's James Bond from 'Never Say Never Again', the only unofficial Bond movie released. Other favorites over the years were when I was dressed as Hunter S. Thompson back in 1992 when I was in college at Pitzer. That one was really more like role playing. I even had tons of things in my black doctor's satchel, including grapefruits, writing utensils, and hallucinogens. Another one I loved was dressing up in my cat mask from my films, 'The Interview' and 'Upside Downtown'. That mask actually makes a sort of re-appearance in a newly stitched up form in 'Noirland'. Hollie Stevens wears it in a signature shot in the film. Oh, and for those who wonder about it, 'Upside Downtown' has not been released yet, but it will be sometime in the next year or two.

What scares you in real life?

Death, injustice, and pain. Pain is probably the scariest thing of all. When something hurts, especially if it's inside your body, and there's nothing you can do about it... Well, that's the scariest thing probably.